Revitalised Water in Brewing

[Nick]

Hi all,

I saw a documentary on discovery about water and how chemically strange it is, it's special properties etc.

 

I didn't know that science still doesn't know the molecular structure of water! We know it's H20 but there are so many binding sites that water is never just floating around as one molecule of H20...

 

Anyway, they got into how water might actually have a memory and transfer information and then talked about a guy called Johann Grander and his theory of revitalised water (Google it).

Here is a pdf with some info: http://questutilityservices.ie/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/GRANDER-P...

 

There is no scientific proof or anything backing up his theory but there are a number of industries who utilize his water treatment devices and I found some examples:

http://pdf.grander.com/literatur/english/GRANDER_Industriejournal_e...

 

Notice there is a brewery in there. The doco interviewed a baker who was talking about the effect this water treatment has on yeast and I immediately thought beer.

 

It would be great to hear from people who have used, are using or plan to use this water treatment process.

[Nick]

I just found this for any DIY revitalised water tinkerers:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/implosivewater_treat...

[Fairlane]

ok well I feel that I have to reply to this as I have had similar discussions during my studies with a woman who was trying to convince me of something similar.

Yes, water is strange due to the fact that it is a very small molecule, but has quite a high boiling point, and acts as an almost universal solvent. This is due to the polarity of the molecule (i.e. a big O on one side, two small H's on the other) and it's hydrogen bonding capacity.

This is obviously what you are confusing with binding sites as in one molecule, the oxygen is firmly bound to the two hydrogens via covalent bonds and no other bonding sites exist. Water as a compound however does have hydrogen bonds which are weak attraction bonds between the slightly negative charge from the oxygen of one molecule and the slight positive charge of the hydrogen on another molecule.

This of course makes "clusters" of water molecules and is the basis of the theory behind these systems, that they can modify or control these "clusters". However, these clusters last for such an infantesimal amount of time (picoseconds) that any claim to control or organise them I think, is just plain silly.

Whenever I have heard of all of these claims regarding water revitalisation etc, it's no surprise to me that there is no scientific proof for the claims made. Instead what we get is a whole bunch of pseudo-science and baseless rhetoric as found in the literature in the links you've posted.

Please don't take this as a personal attack, it's not meant to be..... it's an attack on what I think as basically a scam.

Here's a little something that you may find interesting

http://www.comcom.govt.nz/media-releases/detail/2005/livingwaterqua...