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Hi
I'm planning to brew a red IPA soon. I was initially thinking of doing a single hop Riwaka brew, has anyone done this with good results? Otherwise, I have Citra, Simcoe, Amarillo and East Kent Goldings sitting in my freezer, do any of these pair up well with Riwaka?.
Cheers
Ben
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Use riwaka as a back up/layering hop.
but id use amarillo simcoe and citra as well.
I agree with Rob, I haven't brewed one but after trying Crouchers Riwaka single hop IPA I think I prefer it with something rather than on its own. What to use it with depends on your grain bill, are you brewing something that is more like a hoppy amber ale, or a West Coast IPA with a little more colour? I used Simcoe and Cascade in a fairly malty red IPA recently (which was better than the one I ended up entering in the Western Brewers comp, unfortunately!) and it was ok, but I think I preferred the combo of Simcoe/Columbus/Amarillo I've used in the past.
Below is a beer I have in my fridge at the moment and I'm pretty happy with it. The idea was to compliment the fruitiness of the roast malts with fruity hops. There's quite a bit sweetness to accentuate the fruit - might be too much for some, but it's what I wanted. If you sub the Simcoe for the NS and Centennial I reckon that would work. Personally I wouldn't use the Citra because it will dominate, and obviously the EKG would be lost. Unless you have a lot of Simcoe I wouldn't waste any of those hops on bittering - get something cheap and neutral (Warrior serves me well).
Method: | All Grain | Style: | Specialty IPA: Red IPA | ||
Boil Time: | 60 min | Batch Size: | 28 liters (ending kettle volume) | ||
Boil Size: | 33 liters | Efficiency: | 90% (ending kettle) | ||
Boil Gravity: | 1.056 (recipe based estimate) |
Amount | Fermentable | PPG | °L | Bill % |
2.76 kg | Gladfield Ale | 37 | 2.75 | 41.2% |
0.35 kg | Gladfield Shepherd Delight | 37 | 152 | 5.2% |
0.21 kg | Gladfield Redback | 35 | 35 | 3.1% |
0.21 kg | Gladfield Aurora | 37 | 24 | 3.1% |
0.07 kg | Gladfield Roasted Barley | 29 | 675 | 1% |
3.1 kg | Gladfield Vienna | 37 | 3.5 | 46.3% |
Amount | Variety | Type | AA | Use | Time | IBU |
12.5 g | Warrior | Pellet | 17.2 | Boil | 60 min | 18.43 |
12.5 g | Pacific Jade | Pellet | 10.4 | Boil | 60 min | 11.14 |
21 g | Amarillo | Pellet | 8.3 | Boil | 10 min | 5.42 |
21 g | Riwaka | Pellet | 5.1 | Boil | 10 min | 3.33 |
20 g | Nelson Sauvin | Pellet | 10.9 | Boil | 10 min | 6.78 |
21 g | Amarillo | Pellet | 8.3 | Whirlpool at °C | 30 min | 6.23 |
21 g | Riwaka | Pellet | 5.1 | Whirlpool at 100 °C | 30 min | 3.83 |
20 g | Nelson Sauvin | Pellet | 10.9 | Whirlpool at °C | 30 min | 7.79 |
20 g | Amarillo | Pellet | 8.3 | Dry Hop | 4 days | |
20 g | Centennial | Pellet | 9.5 | Dry Hop | 4 days | |
20 g | Riwaka | Pellet | 5.1 | Dry Hop | 4 days |
Amount | Description | Type | Temp | Time |
-- | Infusion | 66 C | 60 min | |
Starting Mash Thickness: 2.5 L/kg |
Wyeast - London ESB Ale 1968 | ||||||||||||
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Ca+2 | Mg+2 | Na+ | Cl- | SO4-2 | HCO3- |
187 | 41 | 113 | 85 | 720 | 20 |
Thanks for the replies. Going off all your advice I think I'll go with an Amarillo, Simcoe, Riwaka combo. I have Pacific Jade for bittering.
Grain bill is my tried and tested go to recipe for American ambers.
85% Gladfield Ale
7.5% Redback
3% Gladfield dark crystal
2% Gladfield medium crystal
2% Gladiator
0.5% Roasted Barley
I usually hop to a moderate level with this grain bill but I fancy throwing a bucket load of late/dry hops in and seeing what I get. I usually aim for an OG of 1.060 for my hoppy ambers but I think I'll bump it up to 1.070 for this one. I'll probably up my IBUs to 60+ too.
Any suggestions as to what hop ratios would work well are welcome. I've only used small quantities of Riwaka in the past but the smell when you open a pack is incredible. Previous experience tells me I can go mental with the Amarillo, and I can use a lot of Simcoe if I have something fruity to balance it with.
Cheers
Riwaka - A Littoe goes a long way.
My personal opinion, is that wehile its a fantastic hop, it works much better paired with other hops, and for me i avoid the dryhop for riwaka.
Maybe use 50g at 10 mins, then use Amarillo/simcoe for the 0 and dryhopping? you'll get a shit tonne of riwaka comethrough. if your going to 1070 maybe use a 30 min addition to increase it, add some layering.
so Maybe something like:
25g Bitter (thats what your total already was) @ 60
simcoe would work well here 20g maybe@30
50g Riwaka@10
15g Amarillo@10
40-50gSimcoe @0
40-50gAmarillo @0
40-50gSimcoe Dry
40-50gAmarillo Dry
You could also add the citra in the dryhop as well. so 30-40g of amarillo/simcoe/citra (each)
Mash nice and low for a good amont of dryness i reckon - itll still ahve a good malt back ground, but the hops will shine through.
I have had mixed results getting either tropical passionfruit as desired, or a dank/herbal result that I think others sometimes refer to as Onion or Diesel. I prefer using it before the 10 min mark, or perhaps limited at flameout. There are other hops that I am happy to throw 100+g into a whirlpool but not Riwaka. You are safe to go massive with Amarillo like 150g into a 75C Whirlpool... (you will get GP Angry Peaches)
This was the last time I tried big Riwaka whirlpool etc, to Dank for me
I have brewed Kelly Milligans "Smell the Roses IPA" recipe a few times with subs, its a good base recipe
http://www.forum.realbeer.co.nz/forum/topics/soba-nhc-2013-recipes
Really??
Oh interesting. I get the Diesel thing. Its almost like Raro when fresh. thats why i generally only ever use it around 10 mins. It does go pretty well with Citra (really well infact)
I have had the Raro result as well, but unlike other flavours its not that stable, I just find that Riwaka changes over time in keg way more then many other flavours.
I'm not really a fan of Riwaka, I've never found it to be anywhere near the descriptors. Instead I get Wooly Nightshade, diesel tobaco. I brew an American Red Ale/ Red IPA and use Falconers Flight as the feature, with NZ Liberty, NZ Cascade as features and bitter with Columbus. I think the highly kilned malts work well with American C type hops.
With your list I personally would go for Citra Simcoe and Amarillo. Citra/Amarillo heavy late additions and dry hop.
Either way you go please post your notes. I'm a huge fan of the style.
Good luck.
Since it looks like you're brewing more of a hoppy amber ale than red IPA (my red IPA recipe only has 7.5% crystal total, where as my American Amber recipe looks a lot more like yours with a bit over double the amount) I think the dankness/diesel/whatever of Riwaka could work well, but as John Palmer said "the better part of flavour is discretion". I'm not a fan of tons of crystal malts plus all fruity US hops, a bit of spice/dank to balance it all out is a good thing IMO. Equal parts of Simcoe/Amarillo plus a moderate dose of Riwaka at 10min and a smaller dose at FO is what I'd go for. Maybe.
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