CS12 - Cherokee Chief

[Peter Church]

First time case swap for me, looking forward to getting feedback. I was planning on a doing a pale ale that is a regular for me but things got a bit complicated, wound up in hospital on an IV on brew day all a bit of a shambles really so when I got to putting the brew down things where a bit seat of the pants and I wound up free styling a recipe based on a couple of others. On the day the only plan I had was to make something red, preferably blood red, so style is an American amber/red rye

anyway enough from me

43l batch - 3 vessel

8kg Maris Otter

1kg Rye

0.6 Caramunich

0.6 Pale Xtal

0.5 Sheppard's Delight

0.1 Pale Choc

50 gm centennial @ 60 

50 gm centennial @ 15 

50 gm citra @ 5

25gm citra @ 0

50gm Amarillo @ 0

50gm Centennial @ 0

2 Pk US05

ferment @ 18 rising to 20

dry hop 7 days 

25gm Citra

50gm Centennial

50gm Amarillo

Wife talked me out of a second dry hop.. was going to throw in another 100gm amarillo for 3 days, not sure if brewing by committee will catch on round my place

Wont be ready till about the 14th as it was only bottled a couple of days ago,

OG 1058, 2 pts higher than planned

FG 1012

IBU 38.9

Colour 31 EBC 

Had my first stuck sparge! rye in the grain bill

cheers

[Richard Jack]

Might be a bit early to crack this one but I've just kegged 3 beers and I'm thirsty.
Pours clean off the yeast with a thin head. Sticks around and good lacing though.
Aroma is malty caramel rye goodness, a little bit of hop showing but not a lot considering the recipe, just a bit of tropical fruit. That second dry hop night have been a good shout? Noticeable toasty note.
Clean and balanced on the pallete. The malt body is substantial and I wonder if a few more IBUs would kick this beer into another gear?

Overall very enjoyable. Good start to the swap for me, the rest have to wait until January unfortunately :(

[Peter Church]

Thanks Richard,

this was the first time in a while that I have used a hop bag for the dry hop addition, not convinced that the dense bag of hops had the necessary surface area, maybe letting them free would have upped the extraction.

Will be aiming for a rebrew on this so will try your suggestion on the IBU's, I had read that the shepherds delight boosts the perceived bitterness so I wasn't aggressive on the planned bitterness but got to say that I didn't notice an impact at just under 5% of the grist 

Thanks for the feedback

[Peter Smith]

Aroma of a west coast PA, pours pretty clear and with good head, that has stayed most of the glass.  I like this bitterness but it could easily cope a few more IBU.  Very easy drinking beer and would go down well with friends in the shade, it finishes clean.      Very clean finish, you have to be happy with this for xmas drinking!

[Duncan Emo]

Going through my notes (I'm not drinking this at 9am Sunday morning) - a great Red Pale Ale Peter!

Appearance - Dark/Red. Head remained for a while.

Aroma - Nice fruity, hoppy - maybe some spice.

Taste - Not overly malty, clean and crisp on the tongue with a good taste of rye. I've used Shepard's Delight recently and find it adds a good tingle of bitterness.

A great beer Peter - keen to try this recipe out.  Cheers

[Peter Smith]

Really like the beer enough to have a crack at it,  though as always cant help but to tinker and sub etc, using 007 simply as I wanted the yeast cake for an IRS

[Peter Church]

Cheers Pete, keen to here how it goes, I have got a rebrew of this in the fermenter now, last

 one dissappered too quickly

[Peter Smith]

Started at 1.060 and is now 1.015 down from 1.020 4 days ago, yeast still cleaning up as its still murky as hell...  compare with a 5th gen 1272 Oh Brother PA I brewed the following evening its gone 1.058 to 1.010 and is clearing already even tho its at 20C.

Going to leave the 007 to keep working I think there is another few points there yet, it tastes ok I have little experience tasting this type of beer, maybe a small dry hop now and a bigger one in a few days before crash.

Bottles of both have your name on them PC

[Peter Smith]

have two bottles ready for you Pete, I used 007 and increased ibu dry hopped citra/cascade and columbus (odds and sods needed using) big dry hop 250g for a 40L batch.  I think the 007 dried it out a tad would add 1kg medium crystal if using 007 again, I used clariferm so GF free and very very clear!!!   I am going to modify and rebrew again with 1272.... and more crystals

First Clarifierm brew its clear and ment to be GF will try it on a celiac this week...

[Peter Church]

thanks Pete, just have a wet hopped variant of this in the fermenter now, same malt and yeast as the original recipe but changed up the hop combo, Simcoe, Cascade and Nelson Sauvin this time including a 750gm wet(dry) addition, will bottle a couple in a week or so and send your way.

[Peter Smith]

maybe I over carbed it, my small 9L keg just tapped and its very low carb now as I left gas off since sunday by mistake...   and its not as dry or bittter....     will ease carb back in the big keg to match.