Recipe Advice Thread

[denimglen]

Thought it might be handy to have a thread for some of the more advanced brewers to give some advice on recipes.

Let's see how it goes eh...

[Peter Smith]

From beer for a year

My first and most surprising beer of the day was the Emerson’s Bird Dog. I say surprising because, unlike any Emerson’s beer I’ve had before, it was hoppy! And not in the polite, ever-so-gentle way of British pale ales, but in a this-could-have-been-brewed-by-Luke-Nicholas kind of way.

It did actually really remind me of the hoppy Epic beers. It had a huge aroma of punchy fruit and citrus (both NZ and US hops I think), a resiny bitterness, and a reasonable pillow of caramelly malt to soften it out. I had it twice, and it was the beer that I told everyone at the festival to go and try. (“It’s worth that effing ridiculous queue!” I said.)

Beerfest is never going to be as beloved by craft beer lovers as Beervana. It appeals to a broader/different range of people – and while some beer geeks might feel uncomfortable about sharing their hobby with ‘bogans’ – that’s got to be a good thing at the end of the day. There will be people who see Beerfest purely as an excuse to get pissed during the day, but if they come away remembering even one beer that they liked and buy it again, then surely that’s a win for craft beer. (Unless of course that one beer was a Carlsberg, but it won’t be.)


Bloody confused now this is not a hoppy ipa.......

[Peter Smith]

Going to run with this and I am going to bottle condition...   would be good with massive dry hop and keg but I want to shoot for the 500ml bottle edition....

Bird Dog Clone 1.0

NZ IPA 

Type: All Grain

Batch Size: 23.02 l

Boil Size: 35.98 l

Boil Time: 90 min

End of Boil Vol: 27.91 l

Final Bottling Vol: 21.31 l

Fermentation: Ale, Two Stage

Date: 07/10/2013

Brewer: Peter Smith

Asst Brewer: 

Equipment: Pot (13 Gal/50 L) - BIAB

Efficiency: 70.00 %

Est Mash Efficiency: 81.6 %

Taste Rating: 30.0

Taste Notes: 

Ingredients

Amt	Name	Type	#	%/IBU
5.30 kg	Golden Promise (3.0 SRM)	Grain	1	77.4 %
0.40 kg	Gladfield Light Crystal Malt (27.4 SRM)	Grain	2	5.8 %
0.40 kg	Gladfield Munich Malt (7.4 SRM)	Grain	3	5.8 %
0.40 kg	Gladfield Vienna Malt (3.6 SRM)	Grain	4	5.8 %
0.25 kg	Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM)	Grain	5	3.6 %
0.10 kg	Acid Malt (3.0 SRM)	Grain	6	1.5 %
10.00 g	Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Boil 90.0 min	Hop	7	14.6 IBUs
10.00 g	NZ Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 60.0 min	Hop	8	5.4 IBUs
6.00 g	Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min	Hop	9	8.2 IBUs
10.00 g	NZ Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 30.0 min	Hop	10	4.1 IBUs
6.00 g	Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Boil 30.0 min	Hop	11	6.3 IBUs
0.30 tsp	Irish Moss (Boil 10.0 mins)	Fining	12	-
20.00 g	NZ Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 10.0 min	Hop	13	3.9 IBUs
10.00 g	Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Boil 10.0 min	Hop	14	4.9 IBUs
10.00 g	NZ Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 0.0 min	Hop	15	0.0 IBUs
8.00 g	Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Boil 0.0 min	Hop	16	0.0 IBUs
1.0 pkg	Safale American (DCL/Fermentis #US-05) [50.28 ml]	Yeast	17	-
50.00 g	NZ Cascade [5.50 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days	Hop	18	0.0 IBUs
20.00 g	Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days	Hop	19	0.0 IBUs

Gravity, Alcohol Content and Color

Est Original Gravity: 1.062 SG

Est Final Gravity: 1.012 SG

Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 6.6 %

Bitterness: 47.3 IBUs

Est Color: 7.2 SRM

 

[Jamie McQuillan]

Hey, it's a great beer. Interesting to see how your's turns out. I might be wrong, but I think Bird Dog has Amarillo in it. brewshop.co.nz has fresh stock too.  I recall reading on the sheets they had at the brewery when it was a brewers reserve that it uses Columbus Cascade and Amarillo. There sure is a big orange hit in there from the Amarillo. 

[Peter Smith]

Added in some Armarillo on the day, out to buy another bottle of bird dog for a side by side.  Its a good beer regardless....

[Jamie McQuillan]

Cool. That will be interesting. 

[Cain Harland]

 I did a big 12% coffee stout a while back. It was fantastic. I'm thinking dial the ABV and possibly IBU back a little and sub the coffee for vanilla pods and cocoa nib to something like this. I its the same recipe minus 1 can malt extract and 200g coffee in primary.

Can any one advise on amounts of vanilla pods and cocoa nib? I want both to be clearly present but subtle.

40L brew

12 kg (64.6%) Pale Ale Malt; Bairds Malt - added during mash
1.58 kg (8.5%) Crystal 40; Great Western - added during mash
1 kg (5.4%) Dark Chocolate Malt; Briess - added during mash
1 kg (5.4%) Roasted Barley; Pauls Malt - added during mash
44.25 g (42.5%) Warrior® (16.0%) - added during boil, boiled 60 m
32.68 g (31.4%) Liberty (4.0%) - added during boil, boiled 30.0 m
27.23 g (26.1%) Liberty (4.0%) - added during boil, boiled 15 m
1.5 kg (16.1%) Dry Light; Muntons - added during boil
??? g cocoa nib - added during boil
??? g vanilla pods - added dry to primary fermenter

[Grant R Baker]

I wouldn't add the cocoa nibs to the boil... but at flame out or secondary. They can be really astringent... yer average pack from the organics shops is 28g and that is heaps.

[Cain Harland]

Thanks for the advice.

[Paul Fraser]

I have got a Rye beer going on tomorrow with a good portion of wheat and rye malt.

46% Golden Promise

30% Rye

24% Wheat

I was going to do a BIAB and so have the advantage of doing my first step mash.

I was planning on an acid rest @ 35C for 5 mins, a protein rest @ 50C for 20 mins, Saccharification rest @ 67C for 45 mins followed by a mash out @ 77C for 10 mins.

This is my first step mash so was just wondering if my temps and times are looking good. Any advice?

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[Crusader-Rob]

I always though. 20%rye was enough? It can be pretty potent. Xx

[Paul Fraser]

It is from BCS so I would assume the recipe is pretty solid. We'll find out anyway. I'm going to do BIAB to avoid any sparging issues from all that wheat and rye. You done a step mash yourself Rob?

[David R]

Planning a good strong IPA to use up the last of my Simcoe and Amarillo and looking for a third variety to mix in with them, possibly either Columbus or Chinook, unless there are any better suggestions?