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I used to mini mash in a thermos - does that come close ?
lol, awesome, did you use a bag? Id like to say yes, but then you would have done BIAB before me :o(
'Twas a pretty nice Saturday morning in ChCh for a brew. A new take on my first AG recipe, which we've brewed about 4 or 5 times now.

St. Paddies Steadfast (Oat) Stout v2.0

4.5kg NZ Pale
350g Roast Barley
250g Chocolate
200g Rolled Oats (the only new addition)
150g Crystal 120L
50g Black Patent
28g Pacific Gem @ 60 mins

Expected OG 1.052, IBU: 40
Mash 60 mins at 67, no-chill, pitching tonight with smack-pack of Wyeast 1084. Ferment at 18c. Might make it into the case swap...
my first AG recipe, which we've brewed about 4 or 5 times now.

Impressive.

What changes have you noticed in the beer as you've got a few more batches under your belt ?
I've been lurking here for a while, but this is my first post. I brewed a similar recipe a few weeks back. It was the first time I'd used Nelson Sauvin and wanted to see what they could do, so I made this recipe with them as the only hops. I opened the first bottle a couple days ago and it was great :)

Savvy Llama
American (New Zealand?) Pale Ale

Recipe Specifications
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Batch Size: 20.00 L
Boil Size: 26.00 L
Measured OG: 1.053 SG
Measured FG 1.015 SG
Actual ABV: 4.95%
Estimated Color: 13.9 EBC
Estimated IBU: 34.6 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amount Item Type % or IBU
3.75 kg Pilsner (2 Row) ADM (2.0 EBC) Grain 78.62 %
0.75 kg Munich I (Weyermann) (14.0 EBC) Grain 15.72 %
0.25 kg Caramel/Crystal Malt - 20L (39.4 EBC) Grain 5.24 %
0.02 kg Chocolate Malt (886.5 EBC) Grain 0.42 %
10.00 gm Nelson Sauvin [11.40 %] (60 min) Hops 14.2 IBU
25.00 gm Nelson Sauvin [11.40 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops -
10.00 gm Nelson Sauvin [11.40 %] (30 min) Hops 10.9 IBU
10.00 gm Nelson Sauvin [11.40 %] (First Wort Hops)Hops 9.5 IBU
1 Pkgs SafAle American Ale (DCL Yeast #S-05) Yeast-Ale

Mash Schedule: Temperature Mash, 1 Step, Medium Body
Total Grain Weight: 4.77 kg
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Temperature Mash, 1 Step, Medium Body
60 min Saccharification 67.8 C
10 min "Dunk" Sparge with 8.5 L of water at 77 C
10 min Mash Out Heat to 75.6 C over 10 min

After a bit of reading I entered them in Beersmith as FWH, with a 20 min boil time, as a lot of people seem to suggest that a lot of the hop flavour compounds are dissolved and don't isomerize to form isoalpha acids durinfg the boil, but I think the first wort hops contributed quite a bit more bitterness than originally estimated. Which was fine by me. My gf reckons this is probably her favourite of my beers yet :)
I was Going to brew a American Stout but this just does it for me!!!!

Brutus Black IPA

4.00 kg Pale Malt
1.00 kg Munich Malt
0.30 kg Cara Malt
0.30 kg Caramunich Malt
0.20 kg Carafa III
0.20 kg Melanoiden Malt
0.15 kg Caraaroma ?????
10.00 gm Chinook (60 min)
15.00 gm Columbus (30 min)
40.00 gm Simcoe (15 min)
30.00 gm Centennial (15 min)
30.00 gm Columbus (15 min)
30.00 gm Cascade US Pellets (15 min)
30.00 gm Columbus (0 min)
30.00 gm Cascade (0 min)
30.00 gm Simcoe (0 min)
30.00 gm Centennial (0 Min)
80.00 gm Cascade (Dry Hop 10 days)
30.00 gm Columbus (Dry Hop 10 days)
30.00 gm Centennial (Dry Hop 10 days)

0.75 kg Corn Sugar (Dextrose) (0.0 EBC) Sugar 10.87 %

S05 Yeast
1.076 - 1.016 = 7.85% Alc
67 deg Mash
85Ibus
Weighed out grain for Sundays Pukehuia Mk II - Stu's KC with substitutions, increase in crystal and an extra IBU in the 60 minute addition - maybe not in the intended spirit of the original, but bringing it in line with my own tastebuds - now isn't that why we brew it ourselves ?
ADM Pils 81.00%
Caramalt 3.50%
Crystal 6.75%
Pale Choc 2.50%
Brown 5.00%
Black 1.25%

1.038 and 25IBU with SO4
That looks more like a Brown Porter than a mild. What's the target OG?
1.038 Mr C and expecting about 1.010 or a touch over
Right at the high end of the bjcp scale of Milds and a bit low in gravity for a brown porter or northern brown, to many IBU's for a southern brown

fits my own style category perfectly
Class 99B - Random Outcome
OG 1.035 - 1.042,
FG 1.008 - 1.011
IBU's 20-35,
Colour - pale straw to dark brown
Yeast, sachet du jour
the line between bitter and mild is dotted... beers slip between the crack either way. the same applies in the brown ales (mild, southern,northern) and brown porter space.

that's why they are 'guidelines' and not standards. they are reflective rather than prescriptive.


funny that you mentioned this though, my homebrew milds were aways too "brown porterish"... the final kid choc ended up with a lot more of what i'd call 'middle' malts and less 'finish' (roasted) malts.
Do you find the ADM Pils a good base malt? I have a sack of Gladfields to get through and have found it reasonably stable.

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