NZ Goldings

[denimglen]

How does everyone find them?

How do you think they'd (100% of hop bill) go with 100% UK Pale Ale malt (Baird's) and S05? Was pretty staunch on brewing this but with three average batches in a row kinda want something fail-proof.

Cheers.

[JoKing]

Are you talking fail proof? Amarillo - now that's the shit! Goes well with Simcoe. I just did a SMaSH with Golden promise and Simcoe and I wish I had a bit of amarillo in there. Mind you - I'm drinking out of the fermenter again (dry hopping for 2nd week).

r.e Golding. I'd suggest 2 additions - 1 for 60mins and one for 20mins. I have found it quite "leafy" if you follow. It's OK - but nothing like Amarillo if you know what I mean. Let the malt dominate the pallate with a touch of grass in there.

[denimglen]

Cheers.

I've used amarillo a couple of times with cascade and have never really been that impressed.

Although I do have 90g of Simcoe.

Simcoe vs UK Pale maybe?

[JoKing]

Could be good - I used UK golden promese (which dominates the pattate so far) but the simcoe isn't lemony or grassy at all. It's like passion fruit and biscuits. And Pine Apple. And Peaches.

NZ golding is quite grassy which is OK but I've noticed a lot of black pepper in there too. If you use too much, it could dominate in a distracting way...ish. Especially at the end of the boil. Depends on what you like to drink though.

[Stu McKinlay]

S05 won't leave much hop aroma there... but it comes back in time if you can hang off drinking for three or four weeks. Give it a real English hit with lots of bitterness and flavour but little aroma. Like Joking says - 60min and 15 or 20min. There's not enough beers like that around. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised... I'd drop some crystal 90 and a little amber in there too. Make it about 1.040 with 8% crystal, 2% amber and 20-25ibu. Yum!

[denimglen]

Tsk tsk tsk, can't add that specialty shit, this is SMaSH! Haha :-P

Cheers, I'm actually thinking of scrapping this SMaSH thing for the moment so might try your suggestion.

I'm not saying you're wrong but have you got mixed up with the yeast strain? S05 (similar to WLP001/1056) which I thought was supposed to showcase hops and S04 - the English strain? I've never had any problems with hops and SO5 but a rarely drink a beer younger than 4 weeks?

[Stu McKinlay]

Yeh yeh, right you are on the yeast. My kids are doing my head in...
Change to S04 if you're going to head down the path I suggested above.

[denimglen]

What about Crystal 70-80 (whatever the medium UK one is) at 8% instead of Crystal 90? Already got some of that (and the wallet is still suffering from 3 weeks holiday/no-pay/xmas). Then like you said, UKAmber 2%, and UK Pale Ale for the rest to 1040.

Mash at 67C?

Then for hops (20L batch)

NZGoldings - 34g - 60 mins

UKFuggles - 15g - 15 mins

NZGoldings - 15g 15 mins

Total of 33IBU.

Too much hops (is there such a thing?).

S04 yeast.

Any help would be much appreciated :-D Cheers.

[denimglen]

Bump. Anyone?

[Reviled]

Barry uses NZ Goldings with a touch of cascade, not 100% sure on his additions but they allways turn out tasty, nice and quaffable!

[JoKing]

I take back what I said about Simcoe, Glen.

That SMaSH I did with Golden Promise is OFF THE FREEKIN RICHTER SCALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I took it out of the seconday with dry hops floating in it at chucked it through the soda stream machine.

Talk about pine needles and passion fruit! Sorry bro. Didn't mean to jack your thread.

Maybe you want to rethink your strategy regarding golding?

[denimglen]

Nah you can jack in my thread if you want :-P

Thanks for confusing me AGAIN ;-P

Dunno whether to go Simcoe and UKPA or brew the bitter now haha,

[JoKing]

Remember - my richter scale is pretty hard to rattle - even with my own booze. This is a gem - and I only used 70g of those oily mothers. You'd never get a result like that with NZ Goldings. (I'm trying hard not to be a hater). Depends on your tastes though - and I'm a hypocrite 'cos I just brewed a bitter. But the Simcoe Blonde is going to be better for the season - even if the bitter is a TTL.