Hobgoblin clone gone wrong!!!!!

[Nathan]

So I just tried a clone that I had done and it tastes and looks terrible, I'm 100% sure its no infection its just BLAND

I'm not to worried about the looks but I have a heap of people coming this weekend and was wanting to pour this.....Now my knee jerk reaction is to make a hop tea bag with some hop pellets and drop that into the keg and let it hang there for a few days to give it a lift in flavour

Is this a good idea???.......

[Peter Smith]

this works, the beer will be a bit more cloudy but I have saved a bland wheat beer with keg hop you need a decent size hop bag as they expand and you want space for them,  and I would upend the keg each 12 hours if you are time pressed.  what yeast did you use in the clone?  

I use about 50g hops in a bag,   you could go bigger if you intend to finish keg this weekend.  I normally dont upend and at 2 weeks its hoppy

[Nathan]

"Burton ale" think it was a mangroves jack one......I will make up a hop tea bag tonight out of some muslin cloth and fishing nylon any idea on what sort of hops High alpha or low alpha??????

By up end you mean tip upside down?

[Peter Smith]

yeah not need to shake it, just move beer around a bit , hops NEED to be in a bag...

Add the hop you hoped would be there.....    the Hopgoblin recipe I just googled used Wyeast 1028 or 002, , some of the dry yeasts have a reputation for stripping  hop aroma and flavour out,  but liquid ale yeasts also add there own issues imho,   the liquid yeasts can give the beer a great flavour but it tastes disgusting if you get too much yeast left in the beer, filtering helps as do long cold crashes with the UK yeasts.  I quite like 007 as a yeast its a monster eats all sugar and is pretty taste neutral, seems to repitch real well, have used in pale ales, stouts and general english bitters etc

With the wheat beer I added amarillo ,  saved a bland beer buy the time the keg finished I had grown attached to it.

[Crusader-Rob]

what sort of taste are you getting??

[Nathan]

Just dull malt not even sweet.........Has a fantastic creamy head on it,Now I know this style of beer doesnt lean towards much of a hop profile but this is just crazy bland......

[Dene McDonald]

If the people you are serving it to normally drink DB, Speights or Tui they will probably think it's great the way it is!

[Peter Smith]

Get hops into that beer keg , all is not lost,  may actually benefit form something more powerful then the intended hops, what was in your recipe...  I am not a fan of dry hopping english hops prefer a bigger 5min additions, maybe different if you get fresh UK cones etc Galbraiths have mastered it.

My experience tho is that it took 2 weeks to really shine that may be due to no mixing or v low temps?   have a shot....   US hops IMHO better then UK hops used dry,  worst case loads of hops good shake.

[Nathan]

Goldings,Fuggles and Cascade

6kg Pale malt(2 row)

0.36kg Caramel/Crystal

0.10kg Chocolate

Mashed at 66deg for 60mins BIAB

14g Goldings @60min

14g Fuggles @60min

64g Fuggles @15min

16g Cascade @15min

Fermented at 19.4deg 2 weeks

[Peter Smith]

I find that the uk hops can taste "earthy/musty/muddy" dry hopped even EKG can overpower a beer quickly dry hopped from my mistakes.  I remember Scarfie "politely" commenting that ord bitters are not normally dry hopped... after I overdid the EKG...

do you have any other hops in the fridge ,    (simcoe, amarillo, us cascade) or nz (  cascade, mot, SC) ?

[Nathan]

Saaz that i was planning on using Friday night eeekkk

[Peter Smith]

is there any home brewer online here who lives naki who has a few hops spare???

keep the saaz for the pils, go visit the local brewery.... with your cap in hand

[Nathan]

Local bin in sells vacummed hops might make a divert on the way home today